Tim Kuipers

If a regular player kills you, and it was deemed an unlikely situation, one tends to think they are hackers. Similarly admins are thought to be abusers. Of course these thoughts have not at that point been proven, but the thought itself is to be expected and not to be punished. Why regular players are called hackers and admins abusers is because hackers break the explicit rules, while abusers abuse the (few) rules they have been given, though they might be said to break unwritten rules. If a person prints money he is thrown in jail, if a government produces money (out of thin air) it is frowned upon. Eventhough they do the same thing the one is a criminal and the other is some kind of evil monarch or something.

This topic wasn't meant to be about Demacia, or any events in the recent past. Please create a new topic if you would like to discuss different matters. That sort of reasoning is retarded. You are granted administrative powers because I trust to do your job well. If you misuse this trust, it is 'abuse' in every sense of the word. Ye that was exactly what I said after that piece, he edited that out though. unedited: (of which the additional line translates as: "Abuse is a term invented by 10 year old kids who first called me a hacker until i became admin") Mathijs, you didn't at all say that the reasoning was retarded. Don't cover up with lies.

I was talking to Balmung about my earlier comment. I wasn't talking to myself...

Please don't call me a kid, cause I am not. I didn't say he spawned stuff at all! Get your facts straight! @Clavus, thank you for clearing things up! But, on the topic of: A solid case is hard to build up. It could be quite easy to 'cover your tracks' as an admin, I recon. If you're invisible and not showing on map, there's no way to prove it's a specific player/admin as opposed to someone else, right? The fact is that IF an admin actually is abusing his privileges, THEN it's pretty hard to detect. The whole thing is pretty tricky. But (hopefully) truth will prevail! Cheers! TK

So spawning stuff for pvp is abusive.. And flying when pvping is abusive..

I certainly am not. And what's my situation here? I am just trying to start a discussion topic. I take it that you do agree with this statement. This statement is contrary to Matthijs' statement that abuse doesn't exist. Therefore, you disagree with Matthijs.

The situation you describe is exactly one of the reasons for starting this topic. Your post implies that at least one of the things admins should be disallowed is to "give himself an advantage over any other players in PVP". This would mean that you disagree with Matthijs1996. I would gladly see more input from other people.

This topic is not about a specific case of admin abuse as such, but about admin abuse in general. What do you think constitutes admin abuse? What are the lines? When can we say an admin is abusing his privileges? I wanted to create a discussion among the users and admins of this server in order to solve some friction between regular players and admins. There have been a couple of topics in the last weeks about this subject which is a further reason for starting this topic. In a recent discussion between a regular player and Matthijs1996 (an admin), Matthijs said the following: (for the English among us, this translates as: "There are no limits on what I can or can't do I can worldedit away your whole base This would still not be abuse The term 'admin abuse' is just retarded Abuse doesn't exist at all" ) Now I think that a lot of people wouldn't agree with this point of view. What do you think constitutes admin abuse? What do you think admins should be disallowed to do? regards, I_TK_I

I don't think its ranting anyway. Better safe than sorry, right? If I see someone flying I will definitely check it out! Just because he was wrong doesn't mean asking the question is wrong...