Complaint about admin.

[Messy]

NPhect has always disliked me for unknown reasons, but what I cannot understand is how can an admin mix up admin job with personal conflicts. Today, he kicked me for a reason no admin has used before, without offending him. It started when he complained for me pocketing. He used one unappropriate word against me and my pocket, later he used the fact that he is an admin, probably to win the arguement. You can figure out yourself: http://mrgreen.gameme.com/chat/tf : Type Messy in filter Message and you can see him using insults. I also have kept the whole log. I also used a bit of sarcasm, but not in answer of his insults. I just commented on a word he used. He also flew into a rage after his teammate accidentally gave me first blood and also killed him. He kicked me with the reason "Oh really" This is the log. I've put every sentense of the conflict:

NPhect : Is it me or I find couple Messy and Uber Medic completly gay

NPhect : you're a scout how the fuck you supposed to kill a heavy and a medic

NPhect : not to mention others

NPhect : think.

[sM] Time remaining for map: 3:44

(The Best) Uber Medic : Shoot at them?

Messy : lol

Dahome store! "What you need?" killed Achwell with persian_persuader.

NPhect : you don't say?

Dahome store! "What you need?" killed SZABX (hun) with persian_persuader. (crit)

Messy killed abcd1234 with minigun.

(The Best) Uber Medic : But you asked him?

NPhect : Medic please keep it for you if you can't comprehend what I say, thx.

NPhect : comprehend*

Messy : What's a thx?

[iNFO] New TF2 shop items have been added! Buy them with your Green-Coins at http://shop.left4green.com

Messy : I thought you mean thanks

NPhect : another smart-o ?

NPhect : oh wow

Dahome store! "What you need?" killed Samiel with tf_projectile_pipe.

[THFH] Atlus killed larsjenkins with tf_projectile_pipe_remote.

NPhect : from I have 5 fps you're not famous?

NPhect : Messy you became cocky for no whatsoever reason, please don't step on my tail I'm still an admin in here

Messy : Oh

Messy : Im scared

Disconnect: oh really.

Disconnect: oh really.

Check this screenshot also. You can see him kicking me for the reason. http://steamcommunity.com/id/ubermedic/screenshot/541797441721334884/?

Kicked for reason: Oh Really... after answering to his sentense in which he used the fact he is an admin. Personal conflicts don't have to do with admin job, and surely when the player hasn't done anything wrong in the years he has played in the server. We players expect from admins to be fair, calm, not insult or misbehave. Upon frustration, I admit I became challenging using some sentenses of sarcasm, but surely it was not a reason to get kicked, and of course, with such a silly reason.

[Guest]

You didn't have to piss him off, you could've kept quiet.

Besides this is a kick, and that is much better than a ban.

[Messy]

You didn't have to piss him off, you could've kept quiet.

Besides this is a kick, and that is much better than a ban.

I hope you don't mean I deserved a ban, and instead of reading what I answered, you should read what NPhect said. He, besides, wasn't pissed off by words, but for pocketing. And look better the kick reason and tell me if it's a serious one.

[Mercyless]

Nphect has always been like this, Acting so unprofessional.

Long time ago when I told him that he is acting so unprofessional, he told me to read the rules, he told me to read that "Admins are always right". so fair enough. But if that's the case, an admin can kick whoever he wants, ban whoever he wants without a proper reason.

How am I involved in this? I don't want to play on my favorite server one day and get kicked for no apparent reason.

[hulpje]

I dont play this game but why admins even bother about chat anyway

[Iulian]

The proof struggle is not needed I'm aware of what I'm doing and WHY I'm doing. First.

1. I used a word against you and your pocket as a group that does something ( I criticised the fact that you always stack, remember It's an attack on a fact and NOT a person(s). )

2.

"NPhect : Messy you became cocky for no whatsoever reason, please don't step on my tail I'm still an admin in here

Messy : Oh

Messy : Im scared"

Oh let the drama begin. You want to take me down for a kick? Really? Do I look like I stop players from playing on our servers? No Messy. I kicked you because of the lack of dignity. We (atleast I am) want a funny background and at the same time a bit of modesty when we talk to each other. Do I look like a jackass to you? The reason why I kicked is to inform you that you can't be an ass on the server. From my understandings that leads to a big conflict where everybudy can do whatever they want because there is nobody to punish them ( see other communities ). Please behave when you must behave, please have fun when you must have fun otherwise you shall not be here.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Iulian

[Guest]

I hope you don't mean I deserved a ban, and instead of reading what I answered, you should read what NPhect said. He, besides, wasn't pissed off by words, but for pocketing. And look better the kick reason and tell me if it's a serious one.

Nah, I don't mean you deserve a ban.

What happened there, seems like typical gamers hating each other on a game, but you shouldn't have talked back to him about his admin abilities.

I also believe you need more than one report to consider this admin abuse.

[Messy]

The proof struggle is not needed I'm aware of what I'm doing and WHY I'm doing. First.

1. I used a word against you and your pocket as a group that does something ( I criticised the fact that you always stack, remember It's an attack on a fact and NOT a person(s). )

2.

"NPhect : Messy you became cocky for no whatsoever reason, please don't step on my tail I'm still an admin in here

Messy : Oh

Messy : Im scared"

Oh let the drama begin. You want to take me down for a kick? Really? Do I look like I stop players from playing on our servers? No Messy. I kicked you because of the lack of dignity. We (atleast I am) want a funny background and at the same time a bit of modesty when we talk to each other. Do I look like a jackass to you? The reason why I kicked is to inform you that you can't be an ass on the server. From my understandings that leads to a big conflict where everybudy can do whatever they want because there is nobody to punish them ( see other communities ). Please behave when you must behave, please have fun when you must have fun otherwise you shall not be here.

I never behaved like an "ass" I think. I didn't post that to take you down, just to ask a more kind and logical behaviour. I've never been annoying, except that "so called pocketing" you keep accusing of. I also am not the only pocket on the server. There are many but I havent seen you doing anything about them anyway.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Messy

[Iulian]

The proof struggle is not needed I'm aware of what I'm doing and WHY I'm doing. First.

1. I used a word against you and your pocket as a group that does something ( I criticised the fact that you always stack, remember It's an attack on a fact and NOT a person(s). )

2.

"NPhect : Messy you became cocky for no whatsoever reason, please don't step on my tail I'm still an admin in here

Messy : Oh

Messy : Im scared"

Oh let the drama begin. You want to take me down for a kick? Really? Do I look like I stop players from playing on our servers? No Messy. I kicked you because of the lack of dignity. We (atleast I am) want a funny background and at the same time a bit of modesty when we talk to each other. Do I look like a jackass to you? The reason why I kicked is to inform you that you can't be an ass on the server. From my understandings that leads to a big conflict where everybudy can do whatever they want because there is nobody to punish them ( see other communities ). Please behave when you must behave, please have fun when you must have fun otherwise you shall not be here.

I never behaved like an "ass" I think. I didn't post that to take you down, just to ask a more kind and logical behaviour. I've never been annoying, except that "so called pocketing" you keep accusing of.

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me others including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Iulian

[Messy]

The proof struggle is not needed I'm aware of what I'm doing and WHY I'm doing. First.

1. I used a word against you and your pocket as a group that does something ( I criticised the fact that you always stack, remember It's an attack on a fact and NOT a person(s). )

2.

"NPhect : Messy you became cocky for no whatsoever reason, please don't step on my tail I'm still an admin in here

Messy : Oh

Messy : Im scared"

Oh let the drama begin. You want to take me down for a kick? Really? Do I look like I stop players from playing on our servers? No Messy. I kicked you because of the lack of dignity. We (atleast I am) want a funny background and at the same time a bit of modesty when we talk to each other. Do I look like a jackass to you? The reason why I kicked is to inform you that you can't be an ass on the server. From my understandings that leads to a big conflict where everybudy can do whatever they want because there is nobody to punish them ( see other communities ). Please behave when you must behave, please have fun when you must have fun otherwise you shall not be here.

I never behaved like an "ass" I think. I didn't post that to take you down, just to ask a more kind and logical behaviour. I've never been annoying, except that "so called pocketing" you keep accusing of.

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me other including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

You again mix up your personal feelings with your abillity to kick. I've seen what others believe about me, but it seems them, including you, keep chatting behind my back. The point is that I haven't been a problem for the server. Never trolled, misbehaved or whatever. You could use your point if I did anything "annoying" than stacking.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Messy

[VMR]

It's hard to try to understand a situation with just a few sentences of input. I don't know the relationship you guys have, but I know from experience that if you have a grudge on a player it doesn't take much to get really angry with them.

Kicking a person trolling or annoying you on purpose isn't really abusive behavior if you ask me. Keep in mind kicking is a very mild punishment.

E: The post didn't have a point

I don't blame NPhect for doing what he did, but I don't exactly support it either. This thread alone won't change a thing, but if you present 'evidence' like this frequently it might do.

Edited April 6, 2012 by VMR

[Mercyless]

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me other including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

What you believe or those "others" doesn't matter. If you believe that saying "thanks" is rude does that make it a fact?

Why did you tell him "don't step on my tail i'm an admin here" in the first place though?

[Iulian]

The proof struggle is not needed I'm aware of what I'm doing and WHY I'm doing. First.

1. I used a word against you and your pocket as a group that does something ( I criticised the fact that you always stack, remember It's an attack on a fact and NOT a person(s). )

2.

"NPhect : Messy you became cocky for no whatsoever reason, please don't step on my tail I'm still an admin in here

Messy : Oh

Messy : Im scared"

Oh let the drama begin. You want to take me down for a kick? Really? Do I look like I stop players from playing on our servers? No Messy. I kicked you because of the lack of dignity. We (atleast I am) want a funny background and at the same time a bit of modesty when we talk to each other. Do I look like a jackass to you? The reason why I kicked is to inform you that you can't be an ass on the server. From my understandings that leads to a big conflict where everybudy can do whatever they want because there is nobody to punish them ( see other communities ). Please behave when you must behave, please have fun when you must have fun otherwise you shall not be here.

I never behaved like an "ass" I think. I didn't post that to take you down, just to ask a more kind and logical behaviour. I've never been annoying, except that "so called pocketing" you keep accusing of.

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me other including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

You again mix up your personal feelings with your abillity to kick. I've seen what others believe about me, but it seems them, including you, keep chatting behind my back. The point is that I haven't been a problem for the server. Never trolled, misbehaved or whatever. You could use your point if I did anything "annoying" than stacking.

True. About the talk behind your back? Do I have to get permission so I can talk with friends about you?

True! You're not a problem for the server, but you putted my admin rights on a place where you could say that I don't have them. I already told you the reason for the kick.

[Messy]

Put the "Behind my back" in a parenthesis then. I know very well that admins can kick though, you don't need to prove anything. Using your admin powers to win an arguement makes no sense anyway.

[Iulian]

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me others including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

What you believe or those "others" doesn't matter. If you believe that saying "thanks" is rude does that make it a fact?

Why did you tell him "don't step on my tail i'm an admin here" in the first place though?

Back, we are some people who think that Messy and Uber are a bit arrogant, just our opinions. I told him that line because I was affraid that he wont understand that we have some rules and him not abiding them might turn the server into a riot.

Put the "Behind my back" in a parenthesis then. I know very well that admins can kick though, you don't need to prove anything. Using your admin powers to win an arguement makes no sense anyway.

There was no argument whatsoever, you Messy acted like a 12 years old kid trrying to show off his rights against others.

[Messy]

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me others including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

What you believe or those "others" doesn't matter. If you believe that saying "thanks" is rude does that make it a fact?

Why did you tell him "don't step on my tail i'm an admin here" in the first place though?

Back, we are some people who think that Messy and Uber are a bit arrogant, just our opinions. I told him that line because I was affraid that he wont understand that we have some rules and him not abiding them might turn the server into a riot.

It's like you are saying I offended you or anything. I just challenged you, but I admit it. Could you explain why are we arrogant? We rarely speak, all we do is pocketing. The server is full even with that. Besides, you could dicuss your opinions with your friends in your own chat, and not in the server's.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Messy

[Mercyless]

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me others including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

What you believe or those "others" doesn't matter. If you believe that saying "thanks" is rude does that make it a fact?

Why did you tell him "don't step on my tail i'm an admin here" in the first place though?

Back, we are some people who think that Messy and Uber are a bit arrogant, just our opinions. I told him that line because I was affraid that he wont understand that we have some rules and him not abiding them might turn the server into a riot.

Put the "Behind my back" in a parenthesis then. I know very well that admins can kick though, you don't need to prove anything. Using your admin powers to win an arguement makes no sense anyway.

There was no argument whatsoever, you Messy acted like a 12 years old kid trrying to show off his rights against others.

Where did they exactly act like 12 year olds, before the "i'm scared" part?

[Iulian]

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me others including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

What you believe or those "others" doesn't matter. If you believe that saying "thanks" is rude does that make it a fact?

Why did you tell him "don't step on my tail i'm an admin here" in the first place though?

Back, we are some people who think that Messy and Uber are a bit arrogant, just our opinions. I told him that line because I was affraid that he wont understand that we have some rules and him not abiding them might turn the server into a riot.

It's like you are saying I offended you or anything. I just challenged you, but I admit it. Could you explain why are we arrogant? We rarely speak, all we do is pocketing. The server is full even with that. Besides, you could dicuss your opinions with your friends in your own chat, and not in the server's.

Messy I gave you the answers you needed, you should wait for a Mod/TC to close the thread with a response.

The drama went that way btw ->

[Messy]

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me others including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

What you believe or those "others" doesn't matter. If you believe that saying "thanks" is rude does that make it a fact?

Why did you tell him "don't step on my tail i'm an admin here" in the first place though?

Back, we are some people who think that Messy and Uber are a bit arrogant, just our opinions. I told him that line because I was affraid that he wont understand that we have some rules and him not abiding them might turn the server into a riot.

It's like you are saying I offended you or anything. I just challenged you, but I admit it. Could you explain why are we arrogant? We rarely speak, all we do is pocketing. The server is full even with that. Besides, you could dicuss your opinions with your friends in your own chat, and not in the server's.

Messy I gave you the answers you needed, you should wait for a Mod/TC to close the thread with a response.

The drama went that way btw ->

There is no drama, and you still do not admit your misbehaviour. You can't be right all the time NPhect.

[EmRA]

Wasn't Nphect always an ass?

That's how I recall it at least, could have been someone else

Iulian = nphect?

[Iulian]

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me others including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

What you believe or those "others" doesn't matter. If you believe that saying "thanks" is rude does that make it a fact?

Why did you tell him "don't step on my tail i'm an admin here" in the first place though?

Back, we are some people who think that Messy and Uber are a bit arrogant, just our opinions. I told him that line because I was affraid that he wont understand that we have some rules and him not abiding them might turn the server into a riot.

It's like you are saying I offended you or anything. I just challenged you, but I admit it. Could you explain why are we arrogant? We rarely speak, all we do is pocketing. The server is full even with that. Besides, you could dicuss your opinions with your friends in your own chat, and not in the server's.

Messy I gave you the answers you needed, you should wait for a Mod/TC to close the thread with a response.

The drama went that way btw ->

There is no drama, and you still do not admit your misbehaviour. You can't be right all the time NPhect.

Yes this is a drama over a kick. Never said that I'm always right but you pal crossed the line, we both know.

[Messy]

Good point there Messy. You think that you're not an ass. Belive me others including me belive you are. Two different things you know.

What you believe or those "others" doesn't matter. If you believe that saying "thanks" is rude does that make it a fact?

Why did you tell him "don't step on my tail i'm an admin here" in the first place though?

Back, we are some people who think that Messy and Uber are a bit arrogant, just our opinions. I told him that line because I was affraid that he wont understand that we have some rules and him not abiding them might turn the server into a riot.

It's like you are saying I offended you or anything. I just challenged you, but I admit it. Could you explain why are we arrogant? We rarely speak, all we do is pocketing. The server is full even with that. Besides, you could dicuss your opinions with your friends in your own chat, and not in the server's.

Messy I gave you the answers you needed, you should wait for a Mod/TC to close the thread with a response.

The drama went that way btw ->

There is no drama, and you still do not admit your misbehaviour. You can't be right all the time NPhect.

Yes this is a drama over a kick. Never said that I'm always right but you pal crossed the line, we both know.

I put an X behind this...though you did worse. Let's both stop. I keep no rage. See ya ingame.

Edited April 6, 2012 by Messy

[VMR]

Iulian = nphect?

Yeah

Edited April 6, 2012 by VMR

[Mathematic]

I don't like him either. Got temporarily banned because I killed him a few times in Team Fortress 2. Sucky admin imo.

[The Lazy Peon]

I think we are digressing here, people. Let them talk it out, it's not for the rest of us to NPhect an arse (not saying he is)

Let the people involved sort if out, oui? It's nout to do with us.