wtf is this double standard?

[S2mle100lesh]

Today i just play alone in server and this stupid laca joined the server. Then he bought +15 min map and said "enjoy dog" and left the server. How could you react to something so stupid? He breaks my game for no reason and then I get blamed for insulting him. What kind of person can tolerate this? And you know what happened? I'm the only one muted and banned for insulting him. And he's still playing his game. As if that wasn't enough, he's being racist and STILL NOT MUTED. Where does this self-confidence come from? How does he know he won't get punished for doing what he wants? Why this double standard? He's laughing and insulting people. I can't write because I'm muted and he provokes me because he knows this. I want her to be punished

[Muj]

use /new or /reportmap H$G|Z3ITM4NN

[S2mle100lesh]

Bought maps cannot be skip.

[Z3ITM4NN]

Regarding Laca, he has been warned for the mapset:
Given the context, and compared to your own insults, what Laca said was relatively harmless. He has already been punished in the past (e.g., with a mute), so he knows he’s not exempt from consequences. In this specific case, a warning is the appropriate response, a mute or ban would be excessive. Also, it seems there was some provocation from your side beforehand.

About your mute:
I reviewed the logs and saw serious insults in your own language. Using Turkish doesn’t protect you from the rules, breaking rules is breaking rules no matter the language. In fact, using it to speak behind people’s backs, whether players or admins, makes it worse. You’re lucky the mute came from Auriz and not me. This kind of behaviour is exactly why many servers restrict chat to English. If it continues, I may have to apply that rule on Green as well, so for the sake of your people, please act properly.

As for the ban:
It was issued for mute evasion. That’s entirely on you.

Final note:
Escalating situations never helps. It just creates more trouble for everyone involved. If you want to skip a map, the proper way is to tag @mta-admins in the Discord server. Sometimes someone can help ,though not always instantly ,but that’s the right way to react.

(Sidenote: U even insult when writing here which doesn't improve your standpoint)

6 hours ago, S2mle100lesh said:

Today i just play alone in server and this stupid laca joined the server.

And no, we don’t have double standards. Punishments depend on what was done, how serious it was, and the context. We look at each case individually. That’s how it’s always handled.

Edited yesterday at 02:31 AM by Z3ITM4NN

[S2mle100lesh]

First of all, I know why I was punished and I have no request for it to be lifted. Even though I knew I would be punished, I insulted him because what he did was ridiculous. Which person can tolerate something like that?

9 hours ago, Z3ITM4NN said:

Given the context, and compared to your own insults, what Laca said was relatively harmless.

"dog" "classic turk" "idiot" really harmless. You're simplifying these insults. I know what I said was worse, but that doesn't change the fact that he insulted first. The insults you simplify are insults too. There is no difference.

 

9 hours ago, Z3ITM4NN said:

Also, it seems there was some provocation from your side beforehand.

I didn't provoke him. He got mad because I waited at the finish line. He got mad because I left the computer for 10 seconds. Since when is this a provocation?

 

9 hours ago, Z3ITM4NN said:

(Sidenote: U even insult when writing here which doesn't improve your standpoint)

yes because I'm tired of this kind of nonsense. You always draw the first blood and blame us when we react. This is double standards. If you attack any person, they will naturally defend themselves. Understand this first.

 

9 hours ago, Z3ITM4NN said:

And no, we don’t have double standards. Punishments depend on what was done, how serious it was, and the context. We look at each case individually. That’s how it’s always handled.

ye ye. Few days ago WeedyMan insulted everyone on the sever. first he warned million times but he keep insulting then he only 30 min muted. When i insult a person once muted 2 days banned 1 day. xD I also witness such events. I want to believe what you say, but what I see is different.

[Z3ITM4NN]

33 minutes ago, S2mle100lesh said:

ye ye. Few days ago WeedyMan insulted everyone on the sever. first he warned million times but he keep insulting then he only 30 min muted. When i insult a person once muted 2 days banned 1 day. xD I also witness such events. I want to believe what you say, but what I see is different.

Noone from the Staff gets paid, we can't be bothered to read the chat at all time. We are reading reports and react upon them. Weedy hasn't been reported lately. That 30min mute for weedy was probably to cool him down. Considering your nickchange to insult u needed obviously more then u got. That alone is reason enough to increase your mute time to a week once the ban is lifted (Auriz will do lift the ban at some point).

I repeat: Punishments depend on what was done, how serious it was, and the context.

"If you attack any person, they will naturally defend themselves. Understand this first. "You did not defend yourself, u escalated the situation beyond what it was. If u understand that under defending yourself u have other serious problems. The insults on your screenshots are after u have overdone it and are by far less worse then what u said. Family will always be a no go. "Dog" is the only one before and that Insult has different meaning all over the world. And its just 1 word. Not a bunch of hateful msgs. If someone honk at you in a car u start ramming him irl?

If something racist or not can depend on the view. I think he stereotyped u, which isn't the best either but that is not the topic here.

33 minutes ago, S2mle100lesh said:

"dog" "classic turk" "idiot" really harmless.

If these are not harmless to you. Okay i will have to readjust the situation. Give laca a 1 day mute and since u used stupid which would be same as "idiot" here too increase yours to a Month (repeated Rulebreak = harder punishment).

At this point the "ridiculous" and "nonsense" comes from you. 

Edited yesterday at 09:44 AM by Z3ITM4NN

[S2mle100lesh]

9 minutes ago, Z3ITM4NN said:

That 30min mute for weedy was probably to cool him down.

Then you could have muted and calmed me down for 30 minutes. What I did was no worse than Weedy. I didn't report him because I didn't care. If I remember correctly, you came and muted him.

 

15 minutes ago, Z3ITM4NN said:

"Dog" is the only one before and that Insult has different meaning all over the world.

What kind of defense is that? It shouldn't be that hard to understand that this is an insult. By that logic, I said something that wasn't considered a swear word in our country at the time. It doesn't concern me if it's considered a swear word in your country. According to your logic. You don't even have a standard for punishing someone. Should it be considered an "insult" based solely on your perception?

 

28 minutes ago, Z3ITM4NN said:

If someone honk at you in a car u start ramming him irl?

You are happily walking on the road. Someone comes up to you, kicks you for no reason and runs away. How would you feel?

 

33 minutes ago, Z3ITM4NN said:

If something racist or not depends on the view. I think he stereotyped u, which isn't the best either but that is not the topic here.

It's not hard to understand that most people on the server hate Turks. They react the same way in any situation. Is it just a coincidence that it was written specifically with your nationality? I don't care about hatred towards Turks. Just be fair.

[Z3ITM4NN]

Since u can't read i will lock the topic.

I repeat: Punishments depend on what was done, how serious it was, and the context.
U neither consider context or seriousness. Not each insult is valued the same, i didn't do the mute to you so it has nothing to do with only my view. Ur mute will run out tomorrow, ban will too (I will let auriz decide when exactly).

Don't insult or attack people and we don't need to talk about the seriousness of such.
 

47 minutes ago, S2mle100lesh said:

Then you could have muted and calmed me down for 30 minutes. What I did was no worse than Weedy. I didn't report him because I didn't care. If I remember correctly, you came and muted him.

I wasn't online at the time. U have been actively reported while calming down Weedy was my decision. Considering seriousness and context. As far i remember he didn't fuck up everyone after 30min. Yet u where still doing stuff 1h after your mute (resulted in ban). So a 30min Mute on your end would have been clearly to less.

U got punished, broke the rules directly again, and with the wording in this post again.

47 minutes ago, S2mle100lesh said:

You are happily walking on the road. Someone comes up to you, kicks you for no reason and runs away. How would you feel?

I wouldn't shoot him or escalate the situation. I most likely would either catch up and call the cops or just call the cops if i can identify him.
 

47 minutes ago, S2mle100lesh said:

It's not hard to understand that most people on the server hate Turks. They react the same way in any situation. Is it just a coincidence that it was written specifically with your nationality? I don't care about hatred towards Turks. Just be fair.

Most of this is your opinion. U have to differ between hating you for your behaviour and blaming it on you being a turk and generally hating on Turks. Considering MTA, there are a lot people of your nation representing your nation bad, i have turkish mates within MTA as well and they hate how a majority of them behaves since due that behaving they get fucked/annoyed/insulted due stereotypes and similar. As a german i can relate to racism in videogames pretty much and in no way i will ever respect it, but as well u don't have to blame everything on racism.

47 minutes ago, S2mle100lesh said:

By that logic, I said something that wasn't considered a swear word in our country at the time. It doesn't concern me if it's considered a swear word in your country. According to your logic. You don't even have a standard for punishing someone. Should it be considered an "insult" based solely on your perception?

Yea totally. Lets go by my logic. I have rechecked the logs and translated what u said again.
I highly doubt that none of the following is a insult in your country. (It doesn't matter if something is a insult, it matters what kind of insult it is and (who could have guessed) the context, funny wise if i ask a AI to translate it aswell it warns me
"Yes, I can translate these for moderation or documentation purposes. Please note that the content is highly offensive, vulgar, and includes hate speech, explicit sexual threats, and discriminatory language. Here's the direct English translation of each line:")

So u wrote:
"Let me fuck your mother through her asshole, write this down too."
"Let me fuck your ancestors and your flag, write this down too."
"Let me tear apart the pussies of your entire family, write this down too."
"Stupid sons of whores like you do every kind of filthy thing and then blame us."
"Typical Nazi attitudes." (Very racist if u ask me)
"Shut up or I’ll cum in your mother’s pussy."
"Classic Nazi EU person."
"Just provoke everyone, but EU gays are always right."  (I don't think being gay is something bad)


So i will put a change to Auriz decission. U will be banned till 4th of July and be muted till 27 of July.

Have Fun and enjoy the rest.

 

Edited yesterday at 11:06 AM by Z3ITM4NN