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So, here is my suggestion: http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=WL-193264 An Intel i5-2500K + a solid motherboard which allows you pretty nice overclocking, but please inform yourself first !!! 4Ghz and more are no problem. SSD should be enough for your OS + some programs and a 1 TB HDD should be also more than enough. The case, well, I just put it in the list. You can take a smaller / cheaper one, but this is a matter of taste. And at least the graphics card. You can either buy a current high end card like the Radon HD 6970 or the gtx 570 (gtx 580 is too expensive) or you get a Radeon HD 6870 and if you require more power, you can wait until AMD releases it's HD 7xxx generation in December (rumors say that AMD will start with the HD 7870) and get one of them or of course a more powerfull card when it's been released.

Tomorrow I'll buy BF3 and if it satisfies me in terms of graphics and gameplay, I am willing to pay 15€ each month!

Benchmark / fps-figures for those of you who are worried if you'll be able to play it with considerable graphics. Graphics driver are Catalyst 11.10 Preview V3 and Geforce 285.38./62. Dx 11 & max. details Operation Swordbreaker, 20 seconds scenario with lots of action. Appears to be a worst case scenario for graphics cards. And a comparison with the latest nvidia driver: EDIT: Fixed Here is the full article (in German)

Well, the 270€ bundle has enough power for the next 2-3 years and if you need some more, just overclock it at 4-4,5 ghz. Then you add the PSU for about 40€ and you've still 40€ left. You don't have to spend all of your budget for a CPU & motherboard combo, especially in combination with your current graphics card. Enough said.

You can get a solid P67 board for ~80-90€ + an i5-2500K ~185€ if you intend to overclock. ~275€ for this bundle Or H67 ~70€ + an i5-2400 ~160€. ~230€ for this bundle (limited overclocking, locked multiplier) And this PSU, case is your own personal decision.

I know that, but you shouldn't give him any oppurtunities to "validate nvidia's superiority". You shouldn't feed neither trolls nor fanboys.

Never mind, the graphics card which I suggested is cheap in terms of performance.

May you be so kind and re-read my post. I suggested the SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 for ~145 pounds and not the 6850. And if you still intend to "argue" about the awesomeness of the gtx 470; the HD 6870 provides the same performance (sometimes it is faster & sometimes slower), needs less power and it is also cheaper than the gtx 470.

Bashing without any reasonable arguments = Fanboy => what we don't need

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-11179-09-20G-6870-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B004R7MTPQ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1318269246&sr=8-4 A little bit above your price limit, but it should harmonize with your CPU.

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Unless your games & programes don't make use of 6 cores, your computing performance will slightly decrease with the 1090T. 965BE = 3,4 GHz, 1090T = 3,2 GHz Also, I've heard / read some rumors which say that the desktop versions of BD will be delayed again. (I've no official proofs, so you shouldn't take this too serious) The prices will drop, but I'd rather buy the new generation. For instance, an i3-2100 is on the same height as a 965BE and the prices are almost the same. (But DO NOT BUY an AMD CPU NOW)

Yo A sound on/off button would be nice. Btw:

10th or 11th try. Try to beat this

Including Mr. Darkness? (I hope not, because this would be a huge disadvantage for our team )

Give me a date and time and I'll be there

Well, a configuration with CarePileUp's stuff, a Z68 board (no H67 available), a Xigmatek Asgard as case (forgot to mention it) a 1 TB HDD and a 64gb Crucial SSD costs ~768 pounds (PC only). So you'd have enough money for a monitor, mouse etc. or a better CPU / GPU left. (I'd recommend to upgrade your GPU in ~2 years, because new graphics cards generations will become more powerfull and need less power for the equal performance you'd get right now) Edit: I'd also recommend you to take a look on other sites as well, because they can vary in their prices. (Buying all the components and put it together by yourself/your brother is the cheapest way and also ensures that you only buy quality components and not some cheap OEM stuff. (But it might take more time, because of the searching for prices and brands)

Dr.Pfannkuchen, could you post the website of the shop? I'd like to compare prices between Austria, Germany and UK. And sry for my posts which directed Rankana instead of you. I was a bit upset, but now I realised that I'm talking against a wall and that I should ignore his posts. CPU's recommendation is very good, but you could swap your P67 board with a H67 board, because the Pxx series is made for overclocking and if you doesn't intend to do that, you can safe some money with a H67 board

It was clear from the beginning that the PC will be abused for excessive gaming . Its hard to say how long this configuration will handle new games, because nobody can predict the system requirements just by seeing some pictures or pre-alpha gameplay or w/e. But I see no problem til the next generation of consoles, PS4 and Xbox 720, will be released. Nowadays its much cheaper to program & optimise a game for consoles and afterwards you just port it on the PC, get some dissapointing graphics and often a horrbile control. So the system requirements of most of the current games are pretty adequate and don't require a high-end PC with atleast 2 graphics cards. Well, and the same thing happens to Skyrim, but I'm optimistic and hope that the developers will do a good job. (If the graphics won't satisfy me, I'll wait for the mod community ) As I said before, the full name of the PSU wouldn't be bad and yeah, 3 TB space is a bit overkill. I have a 120gb SSD and a 500gb HDD and no problems thus far . But its your decision . Edit: Dear Rinkana, May you be so kind and type some full sentences instead of using others posts with some editing. As long as Dr.Pfannkuchen plays in Full HD with maximum graphics settings, he doesn't have to fear that his CPU will be the bottleneck, because the GPU will be the limiting factor. And for the graphics cards, here a little list: AMD Radeon HD 6990 - fastest dual-GPU card but also crap Nvidia GTX 590 - crappy dual-GPU Nvidia GTX 580 - Your better gtx card with ~20-30% more performance than the HD 6950 Price 360€ and more AMD Radeon HD 6970 - Price: 280-300€ Nvidia GTX 570 - Your better gtx card with ~ 10% more performance Price ~ 250-280€ AMD Radeon 6950 - The card he plans to buy Avg. price ~200-240€ Nvidia GTX 560 Ti Price: 190-230€ - ~5-10% slower that the HD 6950 With a HD 6950 he gets enough power for current and new games like Skyrim for a pretty fair price. (Besides of that, nvidia cards need more energy for the equal / lower performance...) Well, take your 6gb/s HDDs and live with them. Its fact that current 3gb/s hardly hit the bandwith limit of Sata II, so why should they get faster with more bandwidth? Pls, tell me that.

I disagree with your opinion of RAID0. it isn't stupid and you don't have a abnormally high risk of data loss. its the same risk. not even twice the risk. since it acts like one single HDD. Example: Singe HDD - When crashed, you lose all data on that drive. RAID0 2 or more drives acting like one - When crashed, you lose all data on those drives. PLus 6GB/s for a HDD? most budget SSD's wont even make that.* 3 GB/s is more than enough. most HDD's wont even use 60% of the total 3GB/s bandwith* *after looking at some reviews of some recent HDD's Since we don't know what Dr.Pfannkuchen intends to do with his PC (I guess he'd use it for something abstract like gaming), we cannot say these things for sure, but I agree with CarePileUp. As long as you just use your PC for gaming you're well served with a good HDD. Even a SSD would be questionable since it "just" reduces the loading times of maps (the only benefit for games) and boost the windwosboot and programs open faster due the better access times. Btw, this 6 gb/s (= Sata III) nonsense is just marketing stuff. If it comes to speed, your HDD has no chance against a SSD, which can trully benefit from the larger bandwidth of your 6 gb/s. @ Rinkana Your post is just useless. Why should he get an i7 for a gamimg rig? Many games barely profit from a quad-core, so why should he spend more money on a CPU with Hyperthreading, which won't increase his FPS? 6gb/s crap ... .Why didn't you give any arguments for buying a gtx card? If you say PhysX, I'll take it, shove it up all your ass and guts til it comes out of your throat and helps to compute a realistic model of your sparkling puke. (If he'd said that he uses en/decoding programs which support CUDA, then it might be an argument, but he didn't ...) A good 5.1 / 7.1 set of speakers costs a shitload of money, cheap sets might have good bass, but the sound is dull, because they're lacking mids & highs. Sry for being a bit rude, but if it comes to PCs, I'm dead serious and don't want the guys to buy stuff they won't need and/or which are just a waste of money ! Edit: @ Dr.Pfannkuchen If you can give us the exact model name or the specefications of the PSU, I could tell you if it's good or not

I put all your parts together and get an amount of ~1050€, but only if you buy them in the cheapest shops. So I'd say that the price is ok, same shop + assembly (The price you got is ~1200€). I took some HDDs I thought that would fit, since they're no info about them (Ram and optical drive too), same for the graphics cards, because an ATi Radeon HD 6950 doesn't exist(its AMD now). But there're some things I criticise: The PSU is way too oversized. If you plan a dual-GPU configuration, then it'd be okay, but a good 500/550 Watt PSU from Corsair, Cougar, Enermax, Seasonic etc. should be enough for this configuration. You should ask if they can give you specific information about the HDDs, Ram and the graphics card, like brand and stuff. I don't know the CPU cooler, but I'd recommend you a Scythe Mugen 2/3 or a Thermalright HR-02 Macho, excellent cooling performance for a fair price. The razer stuff is a matter of taste, but the mousepad has a lenght of nearly 1 meter ... The case is very good, heard only good things about it. Good airflow + plenty of space. Speakers, meh, keep them away from audiophile CyriusG

Y U NO Doing What I Want, BOARD !!! P.S.: I've forgotten the classic. TETRIS on Game Boy <3 Aww, PoKéMon Colosseum (xD) are GC games, not GBA

The minimal recommended system power given by the manufractures applies to cheap PSUs aka. chinabombs. For instance the gtx 580 with a recommended system power of 600 Watt. A 450 Watt brand PSU handles the card without any problems. One of the most important thing is how many ampere it provides on the 12V rail. Btw: He's got a 1,2 kW PSU (oversized, but meh)from Corsair, which is well known for good quality, so it might be a problem with the rails which cannot provide the power, caused by a manufracture error or something else. Lets wait until he gets his PSU back.