Yes, this is a big problem i think. Before dm_iw_metalgrounds 17 players after 5 players o.O thats so annoying! you have to know all the ways to the top just for survive as zombie. new player cant stand a chance. If the humans knows all the ways aswell, its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to win. Honestly, the only 2 people I can remember killing was Clavus and Error, but i had to use bullshot... Not every player has that gun... I guess my point is, to win, the humans must pay very little attencion, and the undeads must know all the ways + have alot of upgrades...